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05 October 2008 @ 09:10 pm
1x11: Day of the dead  

Also known as the episode where, uh, stuff hits the fan. Ouch!
the artist formerly known as pojymatitablu on October 5th, 2008 10:25 pm (UTC)
S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
Now, I'd like to know why I always choose Sundays to have my migraine unleashed... oh well. Btw, I've been able to discern something anyway.

- Interesting how in Ben's dream about the razorblades, he sees Iris too. I didn't catch it at first because we know Justin and Iris sort of come in the same package, but from Ben's perspective it's different - his dreams revolve around his role as an avatar and aren't necessarily literal. I guess it's a way to tell him (and us) that Iris *is* an important player in the game, as we find out later in the episode.

- Is it me or Sofie's eyes look black - like, with no whites - when she cuts her mother's hair? I also think that scene is meant to make us believe, for a moment, that Sofie was going to choke Appy with the pillow. At least that was my first reaction. If, as I believe Dan Knauf has said, Sofie's retorts to her mother aren't just parent/child angst but a sign of the Omega surfacing, this is definitely the case.

- On the other hand, there's something naive and vulnerable in Sofie's attitude towards Jonesy when she approaches him again.

- I also wonder whether establishing Rita Sue's fierce loyalty to Samson was meant not to make her too unsimpathetic in this episode. Because yes, she can be a real bitch when she wants to :-)

- Another one on Sofie as an Omega in the making... We'll get to know she was always the one to read the cards; so was it really Appy working as a "filter" during the readings or Sofie using some kind of subconscious self restraint? It struck me during her reading for Stumpy. She seems deeply affected by it, and honestly I don't think she cares *that* much for Stumpy. She asks Appy the names of these people she saw in the tarots, but I am under the impression she already guessed everything right. Intuition, or just putting her own power to use without even knowing it?

- Aaand I was sure there was something else I wanted to say but I'd better post this thing ;-)
wytchcroft: ginger says...wytchcroft on October 6th, 2008 03:16 am (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
i'm going to check because i thought the same about the eyes... but then i thought, hell p'raps i was just having a dark willow moment!:) So i'm not sure now!
Laura: The Wire: Drunk! McNultymozartfan1313 on October 6th, 2008 03:16 am (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
-Ben's razor blade dream: I didn't even realize the importance of the fact that Iris pops up in his dreams for the first time. Good catch. Definately symbolic of the larger role she plays in season two (which I'm halfway through, by the way).

-Rita Sue: She can definately be a bitch sometimes, specifically to her own daughter, but there is something so vulnerable about her. She just seems so unhappy sometimes with what life has dealt her and she deals with everything so harshly. In season two, when she notices Jonesy showing interest in Libby you can't help but feel a little sorry for Rita Sue. I'm sure that her affection towards Jonesy had a lot more to do with the fact that his attention flattered her. He took her away from her mundane life.

-At this point, for me anyway, Brother Justin became a favourite character of mine. He was always interesting but I had the tendency to find the activities at the carnival more entertaining. He and Iris had great moments up until this point, but I really started to like Justin the more he understood (and feared) his powers.
thalidarthalidar on October 6th, 2008 04:40 am (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
One thing DK has been adamant about, if there is a question about dark eyes, then they aren't dark. When they meant to be black, it will be blatantly obvious. In his own words:

Just a quick note:

Any time a character in the show actually has black eyes, there will
never be any question of it. In short, if you're not sure, it's safe
to assume the answer is no.

We're mean, but not that mean.

Now, that doesn't mean that Sofie's Omega nature isn't breaking through, it just isn't breaking through in such a way that necessitates black eyes, which is a blatant use of the power of the House of Darkness.
marionj2 on October 6th, 2008 11:08 am (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
Thal, I think there's a big difference between "showing" us black eyes - in which case there is never any doubt - and shadowing the eyes so we can't see them.

DK said this quite early on, I think, in response to a question. There was definitely no intention of showing us black eyes at that point. But hiding or disguising the eyes is a different matter. I think DK meant that if they intend to show us black eyes, it will be blatantly obvious.

One classic scene is when Sofie is out on the road in a later scene, and the Omega is in control, leading her towards California. We do not see her eyes until she becomes aware of Ben and she raises her eyes.

Clea DuVall uses her very dark eyes very carefully in this show. She can show the whites or not show them, and I think her use of them is directed. Often her eyes are in shadow. When you see her "come back to herself", you see the whites.
thalidarthalidar on October 6th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
But in many of these cases, she still wouldn't need to have black eyes. Brother Justin doesn't even have black eyes in every instance where he is expressing his powers, so why would Sofie need to have black eyes while her nature is breaking through and she isn't even really expressing any Avataric power?

That's why I was agreeing that the Omega nature could very well be breaking through in these instances, but that doesn't mean there is any need for black eyes; the issue of black eyes is sort of a parallel question to whether the Omega nature is breaking through, not an either/or situation.
the artist formerly known as pojy: carnivale: justin_mybrainmatitablu on October 6th, 2008 05:49 pm (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
To clarify my post - I meant the black eyes thing as "shadowed in a way they *look* black", not the "real" black eyes we will see only later on. It's something that - IMO - goes with the fact that Sofie's clothes have been dark in the latest episodes (except for the red shirt, which is, on the other hand, probably the most saturated color we see around the carnival...). I mean, it's an old trope that always works - dark colors, dark characters. To say it all, Lodz is also getting a lot of the same treatment: how many shots of just his dark silhouette lately? Of course, though, if this is applied to Sofie, it's potentially more ominous if you know about her nature.
thalidarthalidar on October 6th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
Sure, I agree that there are plenty of instances of intentional shadowing, in my opinion, not to hide that her eyes are really Avatar black, but to intimate what her ultimate role is going to be in the future, as a way of foreshadowing. In Lodz's case, I think it is intentional to obfuscate his real position (opposed to both Light and Dark). So using the same trick but to different ends for the characters.
marionj2 on October 7th, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
The funny thing about Lodz is that, not only does he have white eyes, but his sunglasses - small and oval, are almost the same size and shape as demon-black eyes. Perhaps a visual pun on DK's part?
thalidarthalidar on October 7th, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)
Re: S2 spoilers... annoying I know.
It certainly helps to keep his true allegiance in question. :o)
wytchcroft: shot of bobwytchcroft on October 16th, 2008 10:39 am (UTC)
just to say - thank you so much for all your efforts here - i have enjoyed this so much, and it's been very useful as well, to watch something so closely. I'll have some thoughts on the finale finished up soon:):):)