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26 October 2008 @ 07:26 pm
2x02: Alamogordo, NM  
Apparently the LJ servers don't love lately... I hope this'll get posted in less than two hours, lol.


The graphic is arbitrarily based off a scene that scared me big time the first time I saw it :-\ I admit I always had a bit of a phobia for statues in churches and cemeteries, so go figure.

In addition: Flavusko at the Yahoo group has pointed out that the "atomic kiss" vision of Ben and Sofie bears a resemblance to a similar scene in Watchmen, the 1986 graphic novel that is soon to be out in film version. Here is the comic version (warning: NWS for nudity, plus Watchmen spoilers of course) and a still from said scene in the movie trailer.
the artist formerly known as pojymatitablu on October 26th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
Mild spoilers for things to come
So... aside from the SUPERCREEPY sequence with the Virgin Mary statue (exactly the kind of thing I have nightmares about), my usual very random observations about the episode.

- Ben: his newly found determination about his mission as an avatar comes almost as a surprise - he's diving into it headfirst, so to speak. But at the same time, he's still terribly awkward around Ruthie, and even Sofie. Same old Ben who still has problems in putting two words together... although the awkwardness is partly justified now: I think he thinks he's somehow dangerous, especially because he's still "testing" the extent of his powers.

- Did Ben heal Kerrigan's spirit when he got that flashback about Scudder and the snake blood ritual? I think so.

- I don't know if it's just me, but Stumpy doesn't really come out well from this episode - or the previous. He's a character I have mixed feelings about: sympathetic when in a deep crisis, like after Babylon or during his marriage issues, but ultimately mediocre, if not utterly despicable, most of the other times. But you know what? I like it; I think it's just easier - especially with side characters - to write a character as utterly sympathetic (Gabriel?) or unsympathetic (Burley). Stumpy is not a hero, but he isn't a villain either. His unpleasantness is a very human, "average" one.

- Ruthie sees dead people: now that I know that, I can catch Gabriel's puzzled face at his mother talking to someone who isn't there.

- Don't you think that giving Lodz's trailer to Sofie straight away was a bit too rushed? Okay, Lila might have been the only one still concerned about the Professor, but still, it's something that can raise suspicions.

- Another thing that I didn't catch the first time round: the whole "Crone time comes... life, death, death life" (more or less) wasn't clear to me until I illustrated a tarot deck that represented the circle of life with the maiden, mother and crone progression, where the crone, of course, represents the final stage of existance. Exactly what's coming for the avataric bloodline.

- Various hints on Justin's vanity: he looks at himself in the mirror quite a lot, is all groomed, uses his supernatural charms to get the pretty orphan maid, and gets this BADASS TATTOO, which I don't think has any real utility. It's all for his self image. Or even if held some kind of power... you know he likes himself in it.
Laura: Arrested Development:Tobias blue himselfmozartfan1313 on October 27th, 2008 12:55 am (UTC)
Re: Mild spoilers for things to come
What you said about Ben going about his mission headfirst says a lot about how much his character has grown. Like you said, he still has moments where he is awkward and struggles to properly explain himself (he gets easily annoyed when people don't agree or don't understand him). However, I think a lot of his turnabout in jumping into his mission has a lot to do with the fact that he FINALLY understands what is expected of him. He knows what his purpse is and it likely makes him feel more significant than he's ever felt.

Stumpy is definately incredible average, which makes him human. Even when he bothers me I admire how the writers had the balls to make him unlikable and sometimes sympathetic.

wytchcroft: carnivalewytchcroft on November 15th, 2008 08:21 am (UTC)
Re: Mild spoilers for things to come
the tree tattoo is not used well at all in the series, it's one of the things i find weak when rewatching.
Little Pasta Knows Her Words: Carnivale dark angelgraziaplena on October 26th, 2008 10:32 pm (UTC)
The eyeless-statue scene puzzles me because it is so Catholic (what with the notion of praying before a statue, the Virgin Mary in the statue, and Justin praying the Hail Mary in Latin). It makes a kind of sense for Ben to have this vision before visiting a priest, but I wonder at any other reason to connect Methodist minister Justin to these Catholic symbols. Hmmm.

On a personal note, I did enjoy hearing Clancy Brown say my (LJ) name. :)
marionj2 on October 27th, 2008 12:40 pm (UTC)
Quick comments
I've been swamped and sick (just a cold, but badly timed), so I've missed the last three episodes. I'm going to catch up and post for all of them.

But in the meantime, just a comment about the Kerrigan scene. What he actually says is not "Life, death, life, death", but "Life, death, life; life, death, life." I believe he's talking about resurrection, which I believe is the key to Carnivale's future story. We've seen a little of it so far - Ruthie brought back to life - and I think it's what eventually happens with Ben and Sofie.

I also think the snake ritual brought Rasputin's "human" half back from the other side as Talbot Smith! :-D No kidding, and, no, I'm not crazy - there was a shot that was briefly released and immediately snatched back, that showed Talbot Smith at the snake ritual.

But the resurrection theme appears over and over during Carnivale - in Bible quotes and other references, as well as actual resurrections.